foreign desk covering the globe. every single picture that comes into fox news channel comes in right along here along the media desk. along "the live desk," we begin with breaking news coming out of the white house. the white house briefing is set to begin in minutes. at the top of the agenda, president obama's push for health-care reform and the push back he is getting from some of the american people. let's get to major garrett. what can we expect from today's briefing? >> outside the briefing room because it has been delayed 15 minutes. we're probably going to have a conversation about polling data. the polls indicate a couple of things, growing skepticism, and in some cases, outright opposition to the president's approach to health care. the white house says, we do not really have a plan yet. we're waiting for congress to work out the details. the white house said today in an e-mail, essentially what the

white house is looking for is health insurance reform, ways to require health insurers to provide insurance, not allow them to knock people off for pre-existing conditions. some of the things that a year- and-a-half ago, the health- insurance industry voluntarily agreed to do to try to head off more comprehensive health-care reform. it appears the white house is defining success differently than it did when this began in large measure. as it has pushed for more more ambitious health-care reforms, the public has gotten more skeptical. trace: i want to talk to you about pharmaceuticals. everybody is concerned about this. what can you tell us about the push for shorter patents? >> is a big debate within the whole health care issue that deals not with the kinds of

drugs that are derived chemically, but biologics. these are new way of drugs derived by living plant or animal sales. they're cutting edge pharmaceuticals. they're extremely expensive. some therapies run up to $25,000 a year. what do the drug manufacturers want? they want something called data exclusivity. the data link to the creation of that biologic can be there for a least 12 years. the obama administration wanted exclusivity rights for only seven years. right now, the democratically controlled congress has backed the pharmaceutical industry. that fight continues.

trace: maj garett live for us on the north lawn, thank you. julie: president obama holding a town hall in new hampshire. here is how it kicked off. >> thank you. i love you back. it is great to be back in portsmouth. it is great to be back. it is great to be back in new hampshire. i have to say that most of my memories of the state are cold, so it is good to be here in august. julie: sound a bit like last year's campaign trail? karl rove wrote an o-ed piece. "team obama is suffering from extend campaign syndrome. his efforts to divide americans are becoming more obvious.

what worked in the obama campaign will often backfire on the obama presidency. old habits are hard to leave on the trail. let's go to our washington news room and shannon bream. communication was stretches -- was such a strength for the president when he was on the campaign trail. >> he knows that he likes to be on the campaign trail. he is having many of those town hall meetings. a lot of people like him in that style. now they want the substance to back it up. delivering something through capitol hill and all the internal factions we have here, it is incredibly hard work for anyone, including the president, who has a clear path. getting it through the hill is tough. people are losing faith of whether or not that will be done. some things, he has gotten accomplished include massive spending on stimulus packages and bailout. that worries a lot of people. according to our fox news polling, 79% of americans

believe that any health-care reform package is going to translate into higher taxes for them. they have a lot of concern about the money that has been spent. julie: what was the initial strategy for selling health care reform? how did it fall short? >> the initial message was one of decency and humanity, trying to appeal to americans in saying, there are a lot of your neighbors who do not have medical coverage. 91% of americans do have health insurance. that is a big group to sway. how do you convince them to give up what they have and scrap the entire system? if we're talking about 9% of americans, it was very altruistic, but it did not resonate. a lot of people said, i am not willing to give it all up for ninth%. -- offer 9%. they are shifting the message to say, here is what is going to do for you in the middle class.

we are going to go after the big bad insurance companies. people do not like insurance companies. they have tried to capitalize on some of that. it is not just how altruistic right now, but it is what we can do for you. let's see how we can improve things for all americans who do have insurance, along with getting those other people covered. we have seen the language change and the insurance companies become the target. in new polling today, it is the lowest number yet that sounds like it is in favor of health- care reform. julie: we have brand new poll numbers coming out. trace: breaking news coming out of california. this is just east of santa cruz, california. you can see the thick smoke there. there are helicopters that you may or not be able to see. they are dropping water on this fire right now. this thing has exploded to some

1,200 acres, which is about 2 square miles. about an hour and 15 minutes ago, there were 250 homes threatened. now the number is 600 homes threatened in that area. they had a bad fire in this area last summer. the concern is the winds pushing off of the ocean. you see the trees in the background a lot of these things are filled with oil. when the fire hits them, they go up like candles and burn very rapidly. 2000 firefighters on the scene of this thing. 600 homes threatened and nearly 1000 people evacuated. we will bring you a live report. when you want the truth, you put aside everything. you go right to the fox news brain room. the president says, if you like your healthcare and your doctor, you can keep it. his says the plan will not add to the deficit.

up next, we look at fact and fiction. as the town halls continue across the country, you may be wondering, can we have a debate? we might have americans asking congress, can you hear me now?

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plan, you can keep your healthcare plan. trace: now it is fact check time. is the president right? if you like your healthcare and your doctor, will everything stay the same? let's bring in wendell goler live at the white house. what about it? >> the president's aides say that he is not going to sign something that will force americans to change their doctors. his critics say that they're worried about unintended consequences. medicare is an example. more and more doctors are opting out of the system. in some bills, there is a proposed penalties for employers to drop the insurance coverage that they offer employees. as health insurance costs continued to rise, it could be that the penalty is the less expensive alternative.

it begins to affect the bottom lines, especially of small businesses. trace: you have very little choice but to opt out. >> we will do this without adding to our deficit over the next decade. trace: deficit neutral is the phrase we have been hearing a lot. accurate? >> it will be deficit neutral on paper, but on paper, president george w. bush promised to cut the deficit in half by this year. the recession came and we had a budget deficit that was three times higher than it had been. the deficit neutral promise is probably even in more difficult to keep them the promise that people can keep their doctors. medicare costs were 10 times what had been projected. although the prescription bill cost 30 -- cost consumers 30% less than the government figured, it is putting dramatic

-- tremendous pressure on medicare's costs. trace: wendell goler live forys at the white house. brand-new poll numbers and from rasmussen reports. the president's approval ratings are not good. his approval rating is at 47% of americans. that is lowest level, by the way, recorded so far. when you ask about strong approval, that number drops to 29%. we have fresh new gallup polls showing that the town halls are making an impact with american voters 34% say that they have become more sympathetic to the cause. the largest percentage of independent voters say that the town halls have not changed their feelings toward the protesters either way. we have brand new fox opinion

dynamic polls that will change tomorrow. that is 45 minutes from now. let's bring in our panel. monica crowley is a conservative commentator. richard, you look at these poll numbers and it does not paint a very good picture for the president and his health care reform. >> i think it is fascinating that fox all day has been showing ms. rasmussen poll. i would urge your viewers to check realclearpolitics.com that show an average of the polling. his favorability rating is 53% positive. that is down a bit from where it was, but it is not as drastic as what rasmussen -- we will see what your fox poll shows. trace: the health care numbers are not good either. >> let's talk about health care numbers.

by 77% to 20%, should there be an overhaul of the health-care system -- trace: that is not the conversation. they are talking about this health-care overhaul. >> richard talked about rasmussen. they pull likely voters. a lot of these other polls all leave poll of registered voters. i think there really is a danger here for president obama. it is not just job approval. it is his handling of the economy, taxes, and health care. he has really fallen down on the job here. health care is his signature issue. trace: rahm emanuel said that this is just noise and it is not effective. you had arlen specter saying that this is not representative of america. from the polls and from what people are saying, these appear to be effective and they appeared to be fairly representative of the american voters.

>> let's talk about the town halls. people have a right to be heard. when you hear people questioning where president obama was born, -- [interruption] trace: is the administration of playing defense? >> first of all, it is not clear how much defense they are playing. people see this sense of outrage. it borders to intolerance that they hear from these people at these town halls that harken back to the intolerance they saw and the mccain/palin campaign in the fall. i think it is way too early to say. >> 60% hate what is being proposed here by the house democrats and the senate. the more the american people say -- >> where does that number come

from? >> every time president obama goes out to advocate this health care reform, his poll numbers drop. more and more people start falling away from supporting this thing. i will tell you something else. president obama ran as a guy with a silver tongue. a great master of rhetoric. he cannot seem to solve this. why? the more details that come out, the more people are afraid of what the government is going to reflect on them. trace: there is a concern that they are not being leveled with. we just did a fax check. we prove, not exactly true. there is a concern that people are not being leveled with. that is when the popularity has fallen. >> they do not like the fact that doing nothing will mean that health care costs will double -- one second. you guys have been doing all the talking. they do not like the fact that people are losing health care by

14,000 people a day. you, monica, you have health insurance. i have it. tens of millions of people do not have it. those are the people who this plan is designed for. it is designed for every working person who does not want to run the risk if there is a pre- existing condition -- >> i have gone without health insurance. nobody is saying let no reform is needed. what the republican alternatives are our free market solutions that you can cover those who are uninsured without overhauling the whole system. >> the free market has given health insurance companies -- trace: it was great, by the way. thank you, both. julie: most kids are already back at school in the south. does this mean that the h1n1 swine flu will return to the classroom with them?

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600 was the last count. the fire continues to grow. this is just outside of santa cruz, california. it is about 150 miles below san francisco. in the middle box, hundreds of people gathering for the public wake for eunice kennedy shriver. she passed away at the age of 88 on tuesday. in the bottom box, the man who basically invented the electric guitar has died. let's cas paul -- he was great. he died after suffering complications from pneumonia. he helped bring about the rise of rock-and-roll with the electric guitar and multitrack recording. gibson named their most famous guitar model after him. he was 94 years old. julie: a sad ending to a story

that drew national attention. she came down with swine flu and spent weeks in a coma, never -- never knowing that she gave birth to a baby girl. she was six months pregnant when she started experiencing flu- like symptoms. doctors kept her in a drug induced coma and delivered her baby girl just a few weeks ago. also surviving her is her house band and their 2-year-old son. kenny says that she could have been saved if doctors had used a more expensive test to detect it. many kids in the south return to school this week. parents are wondering what is being done to prevent and respond to a new outbreak if it happens. we all remember the big scare when swine flu shut down hundreds of schools across america last spring.

what is being done to prevent the spread of h1n1? >> we are in a suburb of the atlanta. they are taking steps like telling parents to send their kids to school with disinfecting whites, paper towels, hand sanitizer. the one to make sure they have plenty of that on hand. i'm actually in the nurse's office. part of it will be quarantined room where they will bring kids who are displaying symptoms that might be waiting for a parent to come pick them up. that is another thing that the cdc recommended, the schools work with parents and make sure that have arrangements, just in case they have a sick child. the parents will come right in here, pick them up, take them home. that is what they want. it wants sick children to stay at home. julie: i remember in the spring, the cdc was concerned that

schools would have to close early. they are now saying that the h1n1 virus could spread worse in the fall than it did in the spring. what is the plan if there is indeed an outbreak? >> if there is an outbreak, local school districts will work with their county health departments together to come up with a plan of action. it will decide to either keep the school open, depending on how many cases. the principal said that it depends on what percentage of the students have come down with it. that is how they make their decision. it is really going to be a local decision based on the number of outbreaks. julie: what do the parents do? what can they do? >> start with a plan now. decide what you are going to do one. will be the one that comes in and picks up the children, should they become ill. they have a plan in place, but that was a big problem last year pref.

the cdc says, work on it. schools say that they are working on it and they're making sure that they have a plan and place. julie: of course, you can go to our website on any information on h1n1. we have it all at your fingertips on our site. just type in h1n1 into the search box. trace: president obama facing and hope -- facing an uphill battle with the american people on his health-care reform agenda. why is the message not resonating? we will give you tips and news from the white house briefing coming up.

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september 15 deadline. take a day like today, for example, when there is nothing on the schedule, at least publicly. can you sketch out what portion of his day is going to be spent digging into this? >> he has met with staff here today on health care. i have not seen any notification on member calls. obviously, he will get a chance this week to talk about -- senator baucus will be in attendance at tomorrow's town hall meeting. i'm sure they will have a chance to talk about the progress that he is having with members of the finance committee. i know those calls will continue over both his and their brakes. >> he was spending some portion of every day on health care? is that still true?

>> i do think that as he is on vacation, he will concentrate on being on vacation. i do know that he will continue to law -- continue to talk to lawmakers. it probably will not be as much as he has been doing, but there is no doubt that he will continue to talk about that. >> does he feel like he is winning any converts? >> i think he believes very strongly that it is important to address misconceptions or impressions that have been left out there about the bills. i do believe that the president feels strongly that when he

makes his case, it helps the case for overall health reform. he felt very satisfied with what happened in new hampshire. he was able to address concerns that people had. i think he was able to take on, as i said, the misconceptions that have been out there in the legislation. so, i feels that we have a good process. this has been the same for several years. if you have a question, raise your hand. [laughter] he has been going girl, boy, girl, boy. >> can we trust that he is going to keep his word? >> i think he quickly uncounted of maybe more men than women,

and went in the opposite order. >> is he thinking about going democrat, republican, independent? >> we do not segment town hall meetings according to audiology. i do not think we would ask people to stand up -- the point of this is not to segment people by political party and political ideology, but to address their concerns. i think you can be of any number of political persuasions, support health care reform, and still have questions that you want to ask the president. i think the question he has the most is the one that he has addressed, that is, this notion

of some of called them death panels. yes, sir? >> polls indicate that the american people are not with the president on health care reform. he is obviously trying to change that by campaigning. >> again, -- >> the march 30 of people -- the majority of people are not with the health care reform bill that he is pushing to get signed. >> i think if you look at -- not to mix networks here, but i think your poll -- >> more people disapprove with the handling of and approved. >> the reason why i was thinking

of the freezing of the question is, in your poll, if you asked this straight up, here is what health-care reform -- here is what you get, here is what it costs, the number was 58/38. >> they are not with the president on it. the polls are not with you on that. why not? why do i not agree? >> if the president is pushing for something that the american people when you pull independently, they support, why are they not with the president? >> i do think the people of questions. the president is out doing town hall meetings not just for his health. i think he understands the need

to address concerns or misconceptions out there. i think the president and, whether it is the nbc poll, certainly other polling, will demonstrate that people want to see health care reform -- want to see health care reform. they want to see legislation that cuts costs. they want to see legislation that provides accessibility of coverage, that has insurance reforms. that is what the president will continue to talk about. >> the american people are not with the president right now. does it indicate that your push back is late? >> i do not think so. again, largely because -- your

question was based on polling. a polling number is a snapshot in time. the debate continues and we will see whether numbers move or change as a result of the continuing debate. >> does the fact that you have started pushing back indicate that you realize that it is in trouble? >> one of the reasons we have pushed back is because of those misconceptions. some of those misconceptions contributed to the poll numbers. i do not doubt that. at the same time, there is little cause and effect here. we're not going to stop pushing back on the misconceptions, whether or not the polling shows one thing or another. the president strongly believes that for years, it is better to address what people's concerns

are and take them head on. >> the pharma deal, there's been confusion about what exactly the white house has agreed to and what they have not agreed to. can you clarify exactly what it is that the white house signed off on, whether you feel that the senate finance committee and senator baucus were up front with you guys about what he agreed to? was this done in keeping with the transparency and that candidate obama promised? >> let me take the last part of that. i think the question a few days ago was, we discussed bringing people to the table. we discussed making sure that polling involved in health care is part of an agreement. you are not going to get health care legislation without involving hospitals, without involving those who provide

medication, without talking to groups that represent doctors or patients or seniors, nurses, what have you. we have talked a little bit about the foreman deal. -- about the pharma deal. they agreed to $80 billion in costs -- $80 billion in cost savings. it will fill the doughnut hole for seniors as part of medicare part d, which at a certain point, coverage for the purchase of those drugs stop until you basically -- catastrophic level where the coverage kicks in again. so that additional savings would be used for health care. >> did you agree to a impose

importation of drugs? did you oppose a repeal of non- interference? that is what some lobbyists are saying the white house has agreed to. >> i think the same article that the notes that is denied by both pharma and us. >> in portsmouth, the president said that maybe you could get more. >> maybe you could get more savings as a result of health care reform. i do not believe the president meant that we could take an $80 billion agreement and make it $95 billion. i have been fairly clear on that from here. as a result in the change of health care, you can see health care costs driven down.

>> you are denying that the administration agreed to any of those things? >> i am reissuing the denial that i think is in the story you are referring to on our behalf and on pharma's behalf. >> what is the president hearing from lawmakers out in the field from these town halls? is there a sense of frustration? do they feel like they are getting through to the public? >> i do not have a list of calls that he has made recently. i know that staff talked to a number of offices. i do not think all of the town halls are as you are seeing them on tv. >> tell us what the town halls are like. what kind of feedback are they getting?

>> i think people are getting the feedback that they are having good conversations about what is in the legislation. what people would like to see, what options they want to have, why they feel it is important -- i sent this yesterday and i will say it again. while i appreciate that you all have decided that every town hall meeting ends in pushing, shoving, and yelling, i do not think -- i do not know how many town halls you have been too. they're not completely indicative of what is going on in america. >> could you give us a list of some lawmakers -- you have a broader span of knowledge -- you are obviously collecting information.

>> we had this conversation yesterday. i do not know what your plans are next week. >> my plans are to travel with the president this weekend. >> what is taking place in preparation of jumping into this next year? >> i think the president discussed in mexico a more formal legislative timetable, understanding that it does not mean that the work does not continue. i think you have seen secretary napolitano work on aspects of comprehensive immigration reform. she will continue to do that and meet with stakeholders and discuss along different border communities, the challenges and

the opportunities and what has to be done in order to make comprehensive immigration reform possible. >> are there groups brought in to help shape what is done? >> i think there will be some meetings soon on all of that. yes, sir? >> are we to believe that pharma did not get anything for their agreement on the $80 billion? are we to believe that nothing was promised there? >> i was simply responding to what the question was. >> can you answer that question? can you say for sure that they were promised nothing in return? >> i can assure you that we have come to an agreement to seek some savings from the pharmaceutical industry as part of comprehensive health-care reform. >> at what point are you going

to release the facts of the deal with hospitals and with the stake holders that have come here and made these pledges? >> i think some of this will be written into legislation that we will hopefully see move through congress relatively soon. >> and chuck grassley was at a town hall meeting and brought up the issue of living will. has the white house reached out to him? to his comments jeopardize the bipartisan push that you are trying to achieve? >> i watched your newscast. >> what was your reaction to his comments? >> i happened to talk to senator

murkowski. it does us no good to incite fear in people by saying that there are these death panels. quite honestly, i'm so offended at that terminology because it absolutely is not in the bill. there is no reason to gin up fear in the american public by saying things that are not in the bill. >> i think that is what senator murkowski said. i think we are continuing to -- obviously, the president is continuing to talk to lawmakers can hope that the finance committee can come to some deal. >> what else is he doing in montana? >> i hope that he will be enjoying the big sky country.

i do not have any announcements on that today. at least i can lean on that side of it. >> i want to follow-up on what truck was asking. he is the top senator on the senate finance committee. the president wants a bipartisan bill. senator grassley said no public option. yesterday, he had a chance to clarify the death panel thing and he said that people have the right to be afraid of it. can you still count seriously chuck grassley as an ally in getting the health care bill passed? >> i think there's still the possibility of getting bipartisan agreement through the finance committee in order to make progress on a piece of

legislation that can pass the senate. they're obviously the three republican senators who are involved in this. we hope to quell the misconceptions that apparently are held even by some in the senate. about what the bill is and what the bill is not. we will continue to hope that they can make progress. whether or not it happens, i do not know. >> he seems to be doing rope a dope with the white house. >> i guess we will see about that. >> senator grassley did yesterday specifically asked the white house or the president to say he is willing to sign a bill that does not have a public

option. is that something that the president is willing to say? >> the president is willing and wants to sign a bill that has adequate choice and competition for those who are in the private insurance market. understand the concept of this option was to provide exactly that, an option that in some areas and different parts of the country, they are dominated by only a couple or in some instances, only one insurance company that is offering the ability for coverage on a private insurance market. the option of an additional plan is to simply provide some choice and competition to a group of people that can only get insurance that way because their employer does not provide it,

they do not work, what have you. >> you are saying there needs to be a public option? >> the rest of the mechanism that appropriately institute's choice and competition in a private insurance market that is -- that can be very narrow, in order for those concepts into impact people's ability to buy quality health insurance. >> do you know if the president has ever consulted on health care with zekiel emanuel? >> i have not been an -- i have not been in every meeting that the president has been in. >> you mentioned that some of it would be written into the senate finance legislation.

>> if you are talking about getting different cost savings into the bill on the senate side, that is the committee of jurisdiction. >> that agreement is not binding in congress in any way, is it? >> all of congress? >> all of congress. >> i guess that depends on what ultimately comes out of the senate and what is agreed to in conference committee. i think that is projecting a tad ahead of ourselves. >> is a binding on the senate finance committee? >> it is the agreement that they entered into. >> a couple of things on the public option. i did not see any mention of a public option.

was that an oversight? are there other priorities that take a higher position than a public option? >> let me be clear. this is an option that provides choice and competition in an otherwise narrow or closed insurance market. that is the president possible, to ensure that if you did not give your health insurance through your employer, and did not have those kinds of options, you would have something that might compete with the only game in town. i think that is in david's e- mail. >> speaking of the email, how goes the list for who would receive it? >> i believe it is for people who have signed up to receive e- mail updates from the white house. >> i received e-mails from people who did not seek any communication from the white

house who have never registered on the website or the campaign web site. let me finish my question. >> let's be clear. i'm going to give you a chance to finish your question, but you have done this a couple of times and i want to be very clear. ofa has nothing to do with and never has anything to do with -- if you signed up for, through the white house to receive e- mail -- the reason i interrupted you is i wanted you to rephrase your question that does not continue to assume that somebody is violating the law. >> i know people who have never signed up and -- for anything related to senator obama and have received e-mail from david axelrod. how could that be? do you see other pieces of information identifying who might be curious about health

care outside of people who have asked for email? do you in any way seek databases or information about people who might be interested in health care? >> i will certainly check. i would be interested to see who you got the e-mail from. >> may i follow up? >> let me finish with major. a >> i need to give you these people e-mail addresses -- quote you're asking me if there on the list? >> never ask for an e-mail from the white house. >> i would have to look and see. >> you do not have an explanation for someone who

never ask for email from the white house got an e-mail from the white house? >> i would have to look at what you have. i appreciate the fact that i have on them and clarity as to what you have received in your e-mail box today. >> you do not have to impute anything. i'm telling you what i have. >> i have a couple of questions. one is on the town halls. senator grassley said that the finance committee dropped petitions entirely.

>> i would have to talk to him specifically. >> you talk a little bit about the town halls and how people sign up for them. i'm wondering if you could give us more information. i'm curious how many people do try to get in, how far in advance do you put a sign up list on the web site -- how does it work? >> obviously, the size is determined by the venue and the capacity with which the then you can be filled. i do not know how much is done by the local media outlets.

>> is it that way always? >> it is a difference of four different populations, but yes. that is the way that it was done in new hampshire. >> is that the way it will be done this weekend? >> i do not have clarity on how it is done this week. >> could we get that by the end of today? all lot of editors are going to want to get answers to that. >> the majority of senators are asking the president to pressure other countries to give a commitment. do they have any effect on policy? >> i do not know whether or not the president has seen this letter. you can't have comprehensive middle east peace without asking

both sides for -- to live up to their responsibilities. . >> sufficient to say that the president in talking with leaders throughout the region have asked for them to live up to different responsibilities. this is not a one-way street. >> on afghanistan -- trace: this is a brand-new hour of the "live desk." they have run the gamut of subjects. they pressed him earlier on the town hall meetings and how they would be made up. you would get the tickets and who would not. there was a great deal of

criticism that the crowd in new hampshire was friendly. they want to know if it will be the same thing in colorado and montana to they also pressed him on whether or not the president was pushing for a single payer. major garrett got into that about an e-mail sent from the white house adviser david axelrod. david axelrod scented this e- mail -- sent this id-mell. it goes on to say, this could be the most important. it says, here's the deal. this is important. send this to somebody else. major garrett questioned why this was sent to people who never asked to be contacted by the white house. there's also much more breaking news. i want to bring in a columnist

for "the wall street journal." as this was the building, we got a brand new polls that show that for the first time in two years, voters trust republicans more than democrats on health care. the margin is 44% trust republicans. 41% trust democrats. over the past two months, there has been the 13-point shift. bill, that is a very big shift in public sentiment. >> i think this is a sign of the president losing control. interesting about people talking about campaign mode, he is really into it now. this campaign mode usually means a tax. -- usually means attack. they're attacking voters. they're attacking people who show up, ordinary people. it is an extraordinary way to try to sell things. when the president was in

portsmouth that he made the joke about health care. that is a very condescending way to present a problem that you're too stupid to understand this. to call everything a misconception -- it would be far better to say i have not explained it as well as i should. trace: maybe stupid is the wrong term. robert did said a few times misconception. they pressed him on the fact that the polls are not going well for the white house. he did not dispute that. he said the reason the polls are down is because they're so many misconceptions. it is not that american voters do not like it, it gets stuck to that if they do not get it. >> two little things as misconceptions is feeding some of the enter. was the cbo estimate a misconception? were the videos of the president in earlier years favoring a single payer system a

misconception? i do not think robert gibbs answered that very well. is that public option going to lead to a single payer? trace: now he is studying, we are for some mechanism for competition. -- now he is saying, we are for some mechanism for competition. are they flow in some kind of balloon? >> i think he could have said, i am for increasing competition, and more choice for people, and i'm willing to take a look at anything that does that. he did not say that. that and the time pressure is getting people very nervous. they have this big change that they're trying to ram through before people understand the consequences. they are nervous. when somebody has a legitimate question, to say that it is a misconception, i think it feeds the distrust.

trace: we have a brand new fox news opinion dynamic polls. when asked what to do with the remaining stimulus in money -- 72% of americans say to return it to the taxpayers. we have shown new date gallup numbers. the approval rating is the lowest. our own fox polling is hot off the press. dropping 12 percentage points since taking his seat in the oval office in january. let's bring in bill sammon. you watched the white house briefing just like we did. robert disappearegibbs did not e polls. he said it was not that americans -- he said americans

just do not understand. he used the word misconception on four occasions. >> yes, those poor, dumb americans. they just do not get it. the reason he did not dispute the polls because there are so many of them. there was a gallup poll and the rest andasmussen poll. it is basically all shelly -- would these town halls were in favor of the democrats or against the democrats? it is now answered. the town hall meetings are working against the democrats. support is falling. despite the efforts by the white house democrats to demonize those who participate in town hall meetings, the reality is that the democrats themselves

may have been the ones who overreached in their demonization by colleen people knottiest -- by calling people nazis and mobs. that was the overreach. people are reacting to the white house going to far in demonizing the protesters. trace: is the administration laid to the debate? did they let this go too far. rahm emanuel said this is just noise. he said town hall meetings are noise. the polls show these are extraordinarily effective. >> i agree. there is something to this notion that they came late to the strategy. when obama first unveiled the health care initiative, it was like this nebulous laundry list. would save you money. you would not have any pre-

existing conditions problems. it would do this and it would do that. people started picking apart parts of it. then they said, let's focus on pre-existing conditions. and let's change it to insurance reform and not health care reform. i think it was too late. people have started to pick this thing apart. it has gotten away from the obama administration. ironically, obama was so good during the campaign at convincing people to support his candidacy. he has proven so bad during his presidency at convincing people to promotsupport health care reform. trace: an urgent bulletin coming across the congressional website was just slammed. they have gotten so many questions that it shut down the website. they have gotten so many questions about health care that the website had to shut down.

that brings me to my next question. the back-and-forth between major garrett and robert gibbs. a lot of people are wondering why is there this contentious argument about david axelrod sending out this e-mail giving out the points of misconceptions. major garrett said people are getting this e-mail that never asked to be contacted by the white house. what is the significance? >> people have been worried about the big brother aspects of this presidency. that is to say, the expensive increase in governmental intrusion into all kinds of sectors, executive pay compensation, greater taxation, etc.. now there's talk of a list. how did the white house get my e-mail? there's a controversy.

sometimes protesters will send each other e-mails and then people will forward those to the white house. then they will put those on a master list. they will say federal law prohibits us from the story in the records. they get accused of having an enemies list. this is where the fear comes in. all the sudden, david axelrod is sending you e-mails. you start to wonder if you are in the white house database. trace: he said, pass this along. maybe somebody i know got it and send it to everybody he knew. could those who sent this thing along? is it fair to say that maybe this was sent out by the white house, or someone who simply got it from the white house? >> you raise a good point. it is unfair to say to the white house that we will criticize you for holding onto that he will address, but there's a federal law that prohibits him from destroying that its e-mail

address. there is a distinction from getting these type of e-maila in s in campaign mode. i still get them now. that is one thing. if you're getting them during the presidency, it raises a whole new set of legal questions. if you do not want those, it is a legitimate question. trace: we're going to montana. a much more conservative part of the country. actually, it is a suburb. bill, will this be set up differently because of the criticism the white house got. will this be set up differently? will they let different people in? >> you would hope that he would have a few people in theire.

you see that he appreciates the impression he is getting to the bigger problem is that he has to answer the questions. he has to answer these single payer questions. he has to answer the cbo. he is normally do that. we have another artificial deadline of september 15. the american people are naturally skeptical. trace: bill, do you want to respond to the upcoming town hall meetings? >> yes, he needs a couple craz ies to ask him questions. he needs to have a foil so he can say these are the people -- i can discredit them. if he gets polite questions like he did last time about will not help the president. trace: thank you very much. we have breaking news in los angeles.

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in some capacity, the secret service is involved. harris faulkner has an update. >> this started off as a freeway chase. it can to stop outside the federal building. there are two suspects inside the red volkswagen. a robot has fired a laser into the car. i have been listening to the helicopter reporter. it is some kind of like to see if somebody is sitting in the car. a law enforcement source says one of the two people inside this car made an unspecified threats against the white house. that is why the secret service wants to talk to the people inside this car. the freeway chase began after some kind of conversation at

having to do with a traffic misdemeanor. there are reports of the federal building is getting about collided as they try to work to get the people out of that card. -- there are reports of the federal building is getting evacuate as they try to get the people out of the car. i have been watching the scene for about an hour. this freeway chase came to a screeching halt. it has not moved. trace: thank you very much. julie: weaver just talking about this story. the red volkswagen was involved in some sort of police chase. we do not know what he was involved in. >> we do not know. this has started -- the car was getting pursued for some kind of misdemeanor. what caught our attention is that the secret service was involved in some capacity.

we have not been able to confirm what that capacity is. there was speculation that it had to do the fact that was so close to the federal building. it is not confirmed. the secret service is on site. this has been motionless for at least the last 10 minutes. julie: we saw the robot. >> yes, we were able to see it brought in. by the time we got the pictures, the chase was over. we have a lot of questions about those other two cars. we did not see anyone removed from those cars. we do not see anyone in them. there are no humans in the picture, just the robot and the vehicle. julie: the volkswagen beetle does not look that suspicious. not your typical of runaway car. trace: thank you. we have shown you fox news opinion dynamic numbers. here's another one. nearly half americans think --

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trace: brand new fox news opinion dynamic polls of how americans feel about some of the

most important issues. less than half of americans are satisfied with how things are going in the country. let's bring in the director of fox news polling. >> i think the most striking thing is not only do most think they are dissatisfied, but among the president's party faithful, it has been a double-digit drop. it used to be 73% of democrats who said they were satisfied. it is down to 55%. not only do the numbers look bad, but even among the party faithful there has been a big drop. trace: put up the next one. this is about americans and taxes. 95% of americans believe there will not see taxes go up. >> his advisers have rejected the idea. that is pretty staggering.

>> on a separate question, we asked if you thought your taxes would go up or down. three of four believed the taxes will go up in this administration. trace: next is the big topic of the day, health care reform. under health reform being considered, better off, worse off. >> this explains a lot of that. they think that for their own family they will be worse off or no difference. overall, for most americans, they think there's not much of an upside. would be better off or worse off? trace: these numbers are very similar in the polls we have seen. let's put one more up. this one is -- would you like to see the president on television more often? apparently not is the answer. >> he is out there having all

these press conferences. this is a double-digit increase in the number of americans who say they would like to see him on television less often. did you know his approval rating is at a new low, 53%. trace: what to do with the remaining stimulus money. look at this. >> the heavily funded fraction of the money. most economists say the recession is over. -- they have only spent a fraction of the money. everyone agrees. give it back to the taxpayers. trace: thank you. julie: we are watching a standoff right now in california. take a look at this volkswagen. this is near the federal building. it is being evacuated after a pursuit. apparently a suspect led officers on a freeway chase. it ended up in a standoff in the parking lot. one suspect is in custody. the secret service is now

involved. we do not know why the secret service is involved. we do know that we saw a robot approaching the little red volkswagen earlier. we are not exactly sure what they are looking for. we will get more information from our national desk on this breaking story out of california right after the break. maine lobster and crab bake. or from the south, try our new orleans... wood-grilled shrimp jambalaya. ends soon. at red lobster.

julie: this is a fox news alert. we are watching a standoff as it unfolds in california. this is near los angeles. live pictures courtesy of kabc. have we heard why the secret service is involved in investigating this red volkswagen? >> no, we know that the secret service is involved. their reports that there was an unspecified threats against the white house. there are no details on exactly what it is. this is in close proximity to the federal courthouse.

we are looking into what is this unspecified threats. >> this is the westwood, california federal building. it was evacuated after this pursuit led to the suspect in custody. harris faulkner joins us with more on the evacuation. >> the lapd is telling me there could be up to 1000 people that there are evacuated from the federal building. there is an apartment building across the street from where this car chase came to an end. about that unspecified fraud against the white house, the driver was wanted on several warrants. one of them was a misdemeanor. the already worked have in their eye on the bid and the secre -- the already had their eye on him. then the secret service got involved. this also affects the campus of

ucla. campus police are involved in this. this is adjacent to this. there are evacuation's above 1000 people. they have moved to the robot into the red vehicle did they have fired lasers into it. so far, there's no luck. they sent in a bomb squad robot. they're working to get the suspect out. back to you. julie: thank you. trace: we have a brand new information on three big stories. first to our d.c. newsroom, shannon bream is following the president pushing his health care plan. >> is the president losing his touch when it comes to health care reform? he was viewed as a master communicator on the campaign trail. critics now say the president is

not able to deliver the substance to back up his promises. now the american people have become frightened about the health care overhaul. new fox polling shows 34% favor. that is a new low. trace: now let's go to the north lawn of the white house. mike amendable following a very contentious the white house briefing. >> press secretary robert gibbs says president obama will continue to work state health care issue. the president will hold town hall meetings tomorrow in montana, one in, but on saturday. robert gibbs says the president believes it is important to address misconceptions' related to health care. trace: mike emanuel at the white house. we're still watching this town hall meetings across the country. >> the website house.gov is so slammed with e-mails, it has

overloaded the website. lawmakers may not be getting all their mail. we are tracking town hall meetings across the country drew the secret service is investigating one disturbing incident involving a man who was outside a town hall meeting in maryland held by senator cardin yesterday to the man held a sign that said "to dedeath to obama" trace: a new voices chiming in on the health-care debate. the ceo of the largest hospital company in the country, alan miller of universal health services says americans have the best health care in the world. he says with the government in control, americans will eventually see rationing.

mr. miller joins us now. a lot of people have put up the canadian system as something that maybe we should look at. your thoughts? >> the president said the canadian system only covers 33 million people. it is not applicable to the united states. we have 300 million people did that has been taken off the table. trace: they say the canadians only spend half as much on health care as we do and it seems to be working well for them. >> they also come across the border when they really need care and they do not want to wait. fortunately, a lot of the people are right along the border of the united states and they come to our health care system. trace: we talk a lot about single-payer system. give me your sense on where we are going? do you think the public option will fold into the single-payer system? >> my concern is that a public

option, says insurance companies will be hard-pressed to compete with the government, essentially, people will move from employer coverage. 170 million people are covered by employers now. it is estimated that 120 million would go to a public auctioopti. trace: basically, it is economics. it is supply and demand. you cannot supply 147 million people with the infrastructure we have now. >> i focused on the public option. if enough people moved from employer insurance to a public auctioption, the insurance comps will not be able to be viable.

most people would be left with the public option. then it becomes a single-payer system. my editorial talk about my story is in the uk. trace: mr. allen miller, thank you. we are talking about health care. one of the big things that has been going on for the past couple of weeks are days town hall meetings. sometimes these town hall meetings get all the ruckus side. foxnews.com has all you need to know about the town hall meetings. >> that is right. on the homepage, we have our latest jury on this. the story is about bill roadblocks. -- we have the latest jury on our homepage. the news story is about new roadblocks. even fake schedules are getting circulated to throw people off.

supporters say they are trying to push back against disruptive opposition. trace: we keep pushing this, but i want to emphasize this. anything on foxnews.com, you will get all kinds of information. >> maybe want to find the town hall nearest you and you what to make sure there is the right information, we have the option to find the town hall nearest you. maybe you're not looking at the home page or you want to find more information, does go into the search function and type in town hall. there are stories. there are also videos.

you can watch the video is literally on your computer screen. this is not just town hall meetings. trace: or any other story. foxnews.com has got you covered. mallees win back all the way across the newsroom. -- now we swing back all the way across the newsroom. julie: brenda video just released show in the tense moments leading up to eight shooting involving police on the mississippi river bridge in davenport, iowa. the video shows the officer tried to stop the man. he is accused of attacking a volunteer at a homeless shelter. he turned his back. that is what the man makes his move. they both disappear off camera.

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they can see vibrant colors. doctors say that within a couple of weeks of the therapy, these folks began to see. >> researchers at the university of florida say three volunteers can now partially see out of one eye. all three patients suffered from an inherited disease that steals site of from infants and children. >> i believe it is only a matter of time before we expand our horizons to be able to treat other forms of the disease for which we currently have no treatment. >> doctors say one of the more amazing findings in the study is that even in adults with a severely impaired aside, the brain appears to have rewired itself. one patient can actually for the

first time in her life read a digital clock. another patient told fox news that this is nothing short of hope. >> this is truly a miracle. who ever thought that through science we could reverse blindness and give people si ght? >> researchers say they will have to keep watching what goes on in this experiment. again, they started with only three bullets pierced. they were all legally blind. -- again, they started with only three volunteers. it is promising for right now. julie: any chance this could help other people with blindness ? >> right now, it is geared to people who only have this disease. researchers say they believe

that with time they can start to use this gene therapy to apply it to a variety of disorders. they believe there's a lot of promise that they did not have before. julie: promise is always good. thank you. trace: breaking news out of southern california. this is bizarre. this involves the red volkswagen. there are a bunch of different aspects three and one is that it is a car chase. -- there are a bunch of different aspects. they made an unspecified threats against the white house. secret service got involved. now the federal building is getting a documented. we will give you an update on what is going on in the standoff. -- now the federal building is being evacuated treat and a high-speed police chase through the streets of detroit. look at this thing. wash the ending. talk about explosive. we will show it to you.

helicopters caught every bit of this. the explosive ending is next.

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trace: continuing to cover breaking news in the los angeles area. why is the red volkswagen and trucks in addition -- attracting attention? this has turned into an evacuation of a federal building. harris faulkner has just got off the phone with an officer involved with this. >> the lapd is requesting more secret service units. they did not tell me why, but they say they know who is in the car. a white male suspect, 145

pounds, brown hair and brown eyes. they know who is in the vehicle. the robot is still on the side of the car. the vehicle in question is the red volkswagen bug. more sigrid's service -- secret service units have been requested by the lapd. the bomb squad is there with its robot. it has not left side of the car in more than 30 minutes. ucla campus police are securing that side of the samcene. they are keeping people off the road. they're looking to get those people out of the federal building. an additional apartment building is getting evacuated treat someone in the car made an unspecified against the white house. we do not have any more details about that. trace: the bomb squad goes to

these things because they have very good intelligence on this kind of thing. they know who is in the car. this began as a car chase along the 405 freeway. there were two men in the car. this is where the car chase ended. there has been somewhat confusing information. has somebody in the car gotten out? >> the public information officer could not confirm that. he knows we have several reports from different places that one suspect is possibly in custody. the man they are after is still in the car. he is still behind the wheel. the robot is on the driver's side of the car. the robot has been firing a laser, which we cannot see from this perspective, but they have told us that.

trace: why evacuate the federal building? the volkswagen bug, assuming it did have explosives inside, it seems to be a fair distance away. why evacuate the federal building? >> when there's a threat against another federal landmark like the white house for the administration, they want to secure any of those administration buildings that might be nearby. the federal building might be too far away for a bomb inside the car, but what if it is a coordinated attack? they have to think about it in that way and also that any civilians out of the way. you are bordering on the ucla campus. they have not had any evacuation's there, but they have secured it with their own police. trace: harris faulkner, thank you. julie: secretary of state hillary clinton is meeting with

the president of liberia. in the middle box, democratic senator webb will meet with the leader of myanmar. if the meeting happens, it will be the first time a senior u.s. official has met with a leader of the countries of present military regime. -- oppressive military regime. in bottom box, gas prices are on the rise again to the national average is now $2.64 for gallantry that is up four cents from just last week. trace: oil is up 70 cents per barrel. a fiery end to a police chase through downtown detroit. officers tried to stop a pickup truck which was reported stolen. instead, the driver blows through an intersection, hitting a pair of vehicles and bursting

into flames and killing the driver. two other drivers were also hurt. luckily the interest to those two were not major. police have yet to name the person behind the wheel of the truck. julie: long overdue homecoming for lieutenant commander michael scott -- he crashed on the first night of operation desert storm. his remains finally come home. that is next. call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. i switched to a complete multivitamin with more. only one a day women's 50+ advantage... has gingko for memory and concentration... plus support for bone and breast health. just what i need. one a day women's. again, when i least expected it,

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